i know there are some here that are going through some tough times.
some of you do not believe in god.
some are not sure.. i was told recently by a friend to pray to god for help and he would comfort me.. my first impulse is to pray.
Cope with what? My life has heck me infinitely better without Gawd.
But when rational, reasonable people go through tough times they rely on their friends. Believers unload their problems onto god, we rational people work through them with the people who love us. Humans don't need to rely on a god who doesn't do anything anyway. At least friends and loved ones can offer real help and comfort
is this commandment, let us cover our territory four times in six months, really as binding as when jehovah said to the logos in gen.1:26 let us make man in our image?.
taken from the watchtower, july 1, 1943 page 204-206, righteous requirements:.
the lord breaks down our organization instructions further and makes them more practicable by further instructing us through his faithful and wise servant.
An I love that Boozie Rutherford quote. God he was arrogant! The funny thing is though, that while they use kinder language today, the message is the same. "Do as we say, because god said so."
i am the husband of an ex-jw.
she left when she was 18, because she was dating a non-jw.
they got married, and he began openly cheating on her.
These aren't regular Christians... They're cult members. All brainwashed. You are wasting time on your BIL, most say spend that on your wife but.. You need to understand. While the JW stuff may not have fully sunk in with her, she may still have some of the cult phobias or reactions built in. Do some more reading around here, you'll find out what I mean. Any supposed interest they may think you have in their religion they will eat up, thinking you cannot help but see The Truth. They reason from the position that they are right, everyone else is wrong because their little books say so. Like I said, cult. When you challenge their beliefs, you activate their cult personality and drive them deeper in. Just be glad your wife isn't still in... But be careful they don't try to rope her back, as they definitely will do. Some distance from her family will be best. Good luck!
in his book, "the moral landscape" sam harris argues that you can in fact get "an ought from an is".. the split between facts and values is an illusion.. he challenges the assumption that science has nothing to say about objective morality, which he defines as our thinking about the well-being of conscious creatures.. personally i found his book to be compelling; all the arguments against it that i have read so far are based on misunderstandings of his thesis.
i hve quoted harris a couple of times when he said to his critics that he didn't want to be wrong any longer than necessary.
in that spirit he has offered $10,000 to anybody who can refute the central argument of his book in 1000 words or less.
Laika, I understand your point but you cannot compare a clown like Kent Hovind to Sam Harris... If you've read any of his work you'll know why. I just finished reading The Moral Landscape, it is very good. You may want to pick it up, even just to consider the viewpoint he presents. Good stuff.
they're tired... sooooo soooo tired.
they know it's all wrong but they keep telling themselves how wonderful it is.
almost as if they are trying to convince themselves.
I'm sorry but I can't agree. These people are brainwashed, and he brainwashing is only getting stronger. Now they are trying to appeal more to children, so they can rope them in early. Yes, among the people I know there are many who are in robot mode... Most are. The attitude is different than In years past, but those die hards from the 70s and 80s are still around, along with their families. Once that crowd dies of there will be a large divide thru the congos. There are the hard cores, they work part time and starve while they pioneer. On the other side we have the born ins, they still work full time, have mortgages and real jobs and a vacation or two every year. The hard cores sneer at the "friends" out of jealousy, while they look down upon them because of their not putting 'the kingdom first.' This is apparent already, but once the old school Dubs die off we will just be led with these two groups. Make no mistake... Even the most liberal Dub is properly brainwashed, usually from birth.
i run into 70 yr old jw's working houses, i watch how long they stand at doors with no one answering.
so i come up and ask you know someone living here?
you been standing at the door a long time.
Congratulations, you've confined their faith for today. After all, who else gets called out and yelled at in public? Yup, it HAS to be the right religion.
hi friends,can i introduce my self?
i am luca from italy,31 years old,first off all be patience with my english....i'm working on it.... i write here cause i would like to know someone from usa e canada,my life project is to immigrate there..my collection of informations is just started,it's seems very difficult,but ,who know....maybe it could be possible :).
so,anyone want to greet me and help me?
Did Jesus say his people would have a study program? No. He said you will know them by their love. You ask who is preaching the good news world wide.. Nobody. There is still a very large percentage of the world who has never heard a remotely Christian 'good news' or point of view. You say nobody can say 'I don't know JW'... The majority of the population of the earth can say that. It happens to depend on where a person was born. If it is absolutely crucial that everyone hear the good news, why is gods organization unable to spread it to everyone? There are JWs in many countries yes, but they have a very small presence in most. Just because there are JWs spread out does not mean the good news is being preached 'to all the nations' meaning to EVERYONE. Even in Russell's day, he taught that the bible students had preached to all nations.. While they were still a tiny, insignificant group. Today, the JWs are still a small obscure group. It is very rare to hear that anyone takes them seriously. You can only beat the end times drum so long (130 years so far) before you become nothing more than a nuisance. Now let me ask you a question... How do you know that Jesus came into power in 1914? We're the bible students watching for him to do this at that time? What did God's organization teach about it at the time? What do they say now? Are you sure?
if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
I love how this thread is still alive.. I don't think a single doubting creationist could get an ounce of assurance of their belief from the crap QC and his buddies say. Copied and pasted pages and videos of even bigger clowns than himself.. Sad. Most JWs do disbelieve evolution, but only because they have been lied to about it. This in itself will cause many to question.. It certainly did for me. If anything, QC's thread has been a great forum for presenting facts to refute creationist pseudoscience. Anyone can see it. So thanks, QC, keep it up. You help make more atheists every day.
i figured he was going to arrange the committee and try to get me kicked out after the whole "big pile of books" labelled "take this shit".. well his call made me realize that more and more people ... elders included no longer take this religion seriously.
after he told me he heard what happened he actually laughed and said i would never expect that.
he then told me that it is apparent that i no longer want to be connected to the organization.
NO believing elder would ever offer that. Especially considering your attitude toward the cult. The second a Dub brain decides that someone doesn't go to enough meetings anymore or is leaving the org, the phobias kick in. There is absolutely no way he would invite you on a fishing trip with his buds from work if he were a believer. Actually most elders, no matter how liberal wouldn't go on a trip with 'worldly people.'
Tread lightly, don't want to set of his radar... But I say go on the trip! Let him open up to you. He has doubts, strong enough to offer this to you.
For all you know, he could be a member here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html.
study found 'a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies.
a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.. .
Quendi - go through your list and read into the beliefs of the people you have listed... Except for of course Michael Behe as was mentioned before... Not intelligent...
Then go ahead and ponder the fact that 97% of the members of the Academy of Science deny any belief in god.
